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  • christus victor is

    Catholicism and protestants generally believe in penal substitution as an atonement theory, and eastern christians and the orthodox believe in christus victor, as did a majority of church fathers

    here are some verses from the bible that id like your views on…

    “By his wounds we are healed” – This phrase is based on Isaiah 53:5 (Old Testament):

    “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds, we are healed.” (NIV)

    “Cursed is he who hangs on a tree” – This refers to Galatians 3:13 (New Testament):

    “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.’” (NIV)

    “He became sin for us” – This phrase is based on 2 Corinthians 5:21 (New Testament):

    “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (NIV)

    i think christus victor makes more sense as jesus conquering sin and death and focus on his resurrection, than penal substiution of only appeasing God’s wrath with a blood sacrifice to take the punishment and focus on jesus’ death. but these verses could be interpreted as penal substitution so id like some ideas from the community

  • could reincarnation be an individual yet group thing at the same time?

    I have this impression that identity in the afterlife can only be understood metaphorically. One though many. I am myself yet the whole or part of the whole at the same time. Like how the gulf of Mexico is unique yet is part of and comingles with the Atlantic. Or even more precisely said, when a person dies they are like a cup of water that is dumped in the ocean. The water stays separate yet comingles. This is only an analogy and is imperfect yet can only be understood analogously and metaphorically.

    To take the analogy to reincarnation. When we die we are like a cup of water that’s dumped into the ocean. When reincarnation occurs, it’s like scooping a cup of water and placing it in a body. It’s sort of an individual yet group thing.

    the bible does have a verse that says we live once and then the judgment. Assuming this verse is from God, perhaps each individual only lives once and future lives are more of a collective experience.

    This is just some ideas I have after having read about the spiritual aspect of the afterlife. Does anyone else particularly nders themselves think this might be a good way of describing it or is this just some silly musings on my part?

  • evidence of the afterlife

    Check out the book ‘evidence for the afterlife’ by Dr Jeffrey long. It includes, among other things…

    Objective though not fool proof studies on out of body experiences. More than one scientific study has concluded that when out of body experiences occur, they are almost always ‘accurate or at least consistent with reality’. sometimes the description of what happened while the person was dead, couldn’t have been known to them, or at least the things described are consistent with what happened. if someone just guesses what happens out of their body, they are almost always off… it’s actually very hard to guess accurately. there are lots of case studies, like the pam reynolds case, or random examples like seeing a pair of shoes on the window ledge of another room in the hospital. plus, there’s the AWARE study, where one person had auditory experience while dead, and another person had a description of the operation that was consistent with reality. as is often said, all it takes is one black swan to prove that black swans exist.., if anyone is describing something impossible to know, that’s evidence for out of body experiences being accurate, and evidence of the afterlife by extension.

    Evidence of people who were blind seeing for the first time during their experience. They struggle to come to grips with their experience as would a new born.

    Communication on the other side is almost always telepathic. If this was just hallucination, why don’t folks experience verbal and other forms of communication? I dont know how a skeptic could explain this away, i dont know other ways to interpret this.

    Earth beings met on the other side r almost always dead relatives. If this was just hallucination why r not they seeing living relatives or living non relatives or dead non relatives a lot more? i understand there might be something special about family and the associations with the deceased, but this is still more evidence than not evidence. you would think people would be hallucinating someone like taylor swift a lot more.

    On basic philosophy, think about what people are experiencing: coherent and elaborate afterlife stories, that are more real than their earthly lives and they have no doubt about with no fear of death, and the common themes like light beings, life reviews, tunnels, deceased loved ones, God etc. Drugs dreams and other hallucinations don’t cause these elaborate afterlife stories with those common themes anywhere else. Why would dying out of all possibilities cause all this? if evolution or natural selection could explain it, that’d be one thing, but as far as i can tell those dont explain it.

    what we end up with, is evidence so plain as day staring us in the face yet skeptic pretend there’s not even evidence for the afterlife to begin with.